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		<title>Comment on We&#8217;ve Moved! We&#8217;ve Upgraded! by Steve Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATRONAGE!

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		<title>Comment on Hold Up the Standard of Truth &#8212; Orson F. Whitney by gladwellmusau</title>
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		<dc:creator>gladwellmusau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree with this 20th century preacher more. The Gospel will and should remind the foundation of the Church that Christ give his life for. Not the high arguments of the uninspired. Its a challenge for the believer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree with this 20th century preacher more. The Gospel will and should remind the foundation of the Church that Christ give his life for. Not the high arguments of the uninspired. Its a challenge for the believer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Dickens&#8217; Scrooge Should Teach Us &#8212; Farrell by Steve Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ought to add what Lenin in his famous essay on Internationalism had to say, and that was his prediction for a worldwide fascist styled government (which consistent with your corporatism) would emerge. This also goes by a few other names like the Third Way, Futurism, Progressivism, Compassionate Conservatism, Centre-Right Government, Centre-Left Government, whatever, even Keynes called for this model in his two-part &quot;Death of Laisezz-Faire&quot; pieces e.g. public-private partnerships and the whole nine yards of what Clinton, Gore, Blaire, Gingrich, Toffler, Bush, etc., have been pushing for, and what was the model in Perestroika (at least the one that I read in Gorbachev&#039;s book) that was called for. 

Rambling .... Lenin&#039;s prediction: The establishment of a worldwide fascist styled government that would on a sudden, a dime, a snap of the fingers turn to full blown communism. Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen; and while I think that not every one involved (in fact very few) really have this sort of a thing in mind, such people really do get into power, and really do have such plans. I&#039;m less concerned about how I will prosper or not under socialism (which is a grave problem as well) as I am concerned about centralized power structures -- it is in the latter that liberty is all the more easily crushed. You mentioned in one of your notes about Republicans legislating from the bench, and that is a great point. For those who trust the Republicans to bring them Constitutional government they are so wrong for that trust. They establish abuse of power precedents that are sometimes used at first in what seem to be positive ways, but the violation of principle, once established, only takes an activist to take that same power in a radically more abusive direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ought to add what Lenin in his famous essay on Internationalism had to say, and that was his prediction for a worldwide fascist styled government (which consistent with your corporatism) would emerge. This also goes by a few other names like the Third Way, Futurism, Progressivism, Compassionate Conservatism, Centre-Right Government, Centre-Left Government, whatever, even Keynes called for this model in his two-part &#8220;Death of Laisezz-Faire&#8221; pieces e.g. public-private partnerships and the whole nine yards of what Clinton, Gore, Blaire, Gingrich, Toffler, Bush, etc., have been pushing for, and what was the model in Perestroika (at least the one that I read in Gorbachev&#8217;s book) that was called for. </p>
<p>Rambling &#8230;. Lenin&#8217;s prediction: The establishment of a worldwide fascist styled government that would on a sudden, a dime, a snap of the fingers turn to full blown communism. Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen; and while I think that not every one involved (in fact very few) really have this sort of a thing in mind, such people really do get into power, and really do have such plans. I&#8217;m less concerned about how I will prosper or not under socialism (which is a grave problem as well) as I am concerned about centralized power structures &#8212; it is in the latter that liberty is all the more easily crushed. You mentioned in one of your notes about Republicans legislating from the bench, and that is a great point. For those who trust the Republicans to bring them Constitutional government they are so wrong for that trust. They establish abuse of power precedents that are sometimes used at first in what seem to be positive ways, but the violation of principle, once established, only takes an activist to take that same power in a radically more abusive direction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Dickens&#8217; Scrooge Should Teach Us &#8212; Farrell by Steve Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporatism: I haven&#039;t heard that term for a while. Some also call it state monopoly capitalism. Both are a nicer name for fascism; and frankly, the more the two (the state and the corporation) are welded the less likely it will be that the corporation is the shot caller if it still is. If we want to take Lenin&#039;s black book definition of the ism&#039;s I think we see through them all as this: &quot;it&#039;s all about power.&quot; Or whatever works at the moment to move the revolution forward. Whether the corporation is in charge or being exploited is of little difference in the effects, and in the final end.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that both parties are ultimately in on this, though at least for the moment the national Republicans are opposed for strategic (the 2010 elections) reasons. I truly do not believe that on the National level any of these Republicans are very different from their Democratic Party foes, I mean in fine print legislation, not in the propaganda they push on us.

On the other hand I do believe it socialism is enslaving and that fully socializing medicine is a big step toward interfering in the most private of decisions. The fact that we are already far down that road isn&#039;t the point for those who are trying to preserve the Constitution, they are rather excited that finally an awakening has come and hope that this will go far beyond rejecting national healthcare but rolling back the entire state influence on this and other industries.

Another point to consider, and maybe you will agree, I was reading something about 18th and early 19th Century socialist experiments in America, the reviewer observed that what success they had (which wasn&#039;t much) had much to do with the fact that it was surrounded by a prosperous capitalist system. I&#039;ve argued this for some time about let&#039;s say Switzerland that has quite a bit of capitalist money over the years stored in its banks -- and how many socialist states have stayed afloat with American grants, investments, loans, and technology? But what happens when America finally goes the distance, what happens to those countries, and to what free and prosperous nation will we lean on? This is, I believe, a legitimate concern. Some used to say that when the lights go out in America the lights will go out on the world. I tend to believe that.

Ben, have a happy New Year and thank you for your thought provoking comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporatism: I haven&#8217;t heard that term for a while. Some also call it state monopoly capitalism. Both are a nicer name for fascism; and frankly, the more the two (the state and the corporation) are welded the less likely it will be that the corporation is the shot caller if it still is. If we want to take Lenin&#8217;s black book definition of the ism&#8217;s I think we see through them all as this: &#8220;it&#8217;s all about power.&#8221; Or whatever works at the moment to move the revolution forward. Whether the corporation is in charge or being exploited is of little difference in the effects, and in the final end.</p>
<p>I agree with you wholeheartedly that both parties are ultimately in on this, though at least for the moment the national Republicans are opposed for strategic (the 2010 elections) reasons. I truly do not believe that on the National level any of these Republicans are very different from their Democratic Party foes, I mean in fine print legislation, not in the propaganda they push on us.</p>
<p>On the other hand I do believe it socialism is enslaving and that fully socializing medicine is a big step toward interfering in the most private of decisions. The fact that we are already far down that road isn&#8217;t the point for those who are trying to preserve the Constitution, they are rather excited that finally an awakening has come and hope that this will go far beyond rejecting national healthcare but rolling back the entire state influence on this and other industries.</p>
<p>Another point to consider, and maybe you will agree, I was reading something about 18th and early 19th Century socialist experiments in America, the reviewer observed that what success they had (which wasn&#8217;t much) had much to do with the fact that it was surrounded by a prosperous capitalist system. I&#8217;ve argued this for some time about let&#8217;s say Switzerland that has quite a bit of capitalist money over the years stored in its banks &#8212; and how many socialist states have stayed afloat with American grants, investments, loans, and technology? But what happens when America finally goes the distance, what happens to those countries, and to what free and prosperous nation will we lean on? This is, I believe, a legitimate concern. Some used to say that when the lights go out in America the lights will go out on the world. I tend to believe that.</p>
<p>Ben, have a happy New Year and thank you for your thought provoking comments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Dickens&#8217; Scrooge Should Teach Us &#8212; Farrell by Ben Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think socialized health insurance is going to enslave anyone. But the real problem in our country is corporatism, which seems to be supported by both parties.</description>
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		<title>Comment on What Dickens&#8217; Scrooge Should Teach Us &#8212; Farrell by Steve Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, perhaps Ben. But there is a very distinct line between the wealth redistribution of the Judeo-Christianity ethic and the socialist perspective, the former is a free will offering the latter compelled, the former strengthens the bonds of love between giver and receiver, the latter creates a Scrooge like resentment such as: &quot;are there no work houses, no prisons ...&quot; that they can go to, for my taxes pay for these things; while simultaneously begetting a sense of entitlement and covetousness, or the sin of &quot;pride looking up&quot; among receivers. The former leaves man free, the other in time enslaves him. My vote is for Santa over Marx. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, perhaps Ben. But there is a very distinct line between the wealth redistribution of the Judeo-Christianity ethic and the socialist perspective, the former is a free will offering the latter compelled, the former strengthens the bonds of love between giver and receiver, the latter creates a Scrooge like resentment such as: &#8220;are there no work houses, no prisons &#8230;&#8221; that they can go to, for my taxes pay for these things; while simultaneously begetting a sense of entitlement and covetousness, or the sin of &#8220;pride looking up&#8221; among receivers. The former leaves man free, the other in time enslaves him. My vote is for Santa over Marx. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Buchanan: Globalism v. Americanism &#8211; Farrell Responds by Steve Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worried:

Thank you for sharing. As to the &quot;merchants have no country&quot; comment, this is what I long likened unto &quot;capitalists without a conscience,&quot; who become precisely what Marx accuses them of becoming. I attribute that to the Marxian mandate to rip out the moral foundation from under America, and her schools, and her legislative halls and courts, to be replaced with the moral relativism and or amorality of the humanist &#039;faith.&#039; Call it striving for a &quot;self-fulfilling prophecy.&quot; In other words, I&#039;m saying the root problem for all this is more than our ignoring our Constitution and the wisdom of the Founders, it is the decline in morality among our people. We reap what we sow.

Any real solutions must appeal to both a political and moral reform among our people.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worried:</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing. As to the &#8220;merchants have no country&#8221; comment, this is what I long likened unto &#8220;capitalists without a conscience,&#8221; who become precisely what Marx accuses them of becoming. I attribute that to the Marxian mandate to rip out the moral foundation from under America, and her schools, and her legislative halls and courts, to be replaced with the moral relativism and or amorality of the humanist &#8216;faith.&#8217; Call it striving for a &#8220;self-fulfilling prophecy.&#8221; In other words, I&#8217;m saying the root problem for all this is more than our ignoring our Constitution and the wisdom of the Founders, it is the decline in morality among our people. We reap what we sow.</p>
<p>Any real solutions must appeal to both a political and moral reform among our people.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on Buchanan: Globalism v. Americanism &#8211; Farrell Responds by Worried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an employee at the Cooper Tire Plant.  It is true that for over a three year span Cooper employees went to China to help set up the &quot;China Project&quot; &quot;that would not make tires for U.S. soil&quot;.  Cooper went as far to send Chinese tires to Albany to be checked for quality problems when thousands of tires failed inspections in China.  Then the decision was made to close Cooper Albany the day after the 2 union plants decided to take a $3 pay cut to save there plants.  There wages were in the range of $32-$28 a far cry from the $18-$21 in Albany.  Cooper manipulated everyone in the whole deal and put a lot of families in need.  The sad part is Cooper re-tooled the whole plant or halfway attempted too and hired 400 employees not 7 months prior to the closing.  Thank you Mr. Farrell and Mr. Buchanan the truth needs to be heard sometimes.  I absolutely loved the comment on Jefferson stating: &quot;merchants have no country&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an employee at the Cooper Tire Plant.  It is true that for over a three year span Cooper employees went to China to help set up the &#8220;China Project&#8221; &#8220;that would not make tires for U.S. soil&#8221;.  Cooper went as far to send Chinese tires to Albany to be checked for quality problems when thousands of tires failed inspections in China.  Then the decision was made to close Cooper Albany the day after the 2 union plants decided to take a $3 pay cut to save there plants.  There wages were in the range of $32-$28 a far cry from the $18-$21 in Albany.  Cooper manipulated everyone in the whole deal and put a lot of families in need.  The sad part is Cooper re-tooled the whole plant or halfway attempted too and hired 400 employees not 7 months prior to the closing.  Thank you Mr. Farrell and Mr. Buchanan the truth needs to be heard sometimes.  I absolutely loved the comment on Jefferson stating: &#8220;merchants have no country&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Dickens&#8217; Scrooge Should Teach Us &#8212; Farrell by Ben Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santa Claus is a socialist.  :)</description>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to let it be known openly and clearly that Steve Farrell may &quot;think&quot; he is right but that I know for a certainty he is right. The humanists are at war with freedom of anything that counters their cosmos without a Creator position. If it a legal violation for anyone to be offended then explain the right to offend one (let alone millions) with the age old attempt to force everyone into the same mold. There is not even an insinuation in the terms &quot;shall not establish&quot; and the thought &quot;separation&quot; of chuch and state. Any separation considered in this vein should remain unsullied by ignorant manipulative morons. Why don&#039;t we just outlaw the color purple because of it&#039;s religious connotation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to let it be known openly and clearly that Steve Farrell may &#8220;think&#8221; he is right but that I know for a certainty he is right. The humanists are at war with freedom of anything that counters their cosmos without a Creator position. If it a legal violation for anyone to be offended then explain the right to offend one (let alone millions) with the age old attempt to force everyone into the same mold. There is not even an insinuation in the terms &#8220;shall not establish&#8221; and the thought &#8220;separation&#8221; of chuch and state. Any separation considered in this vein should remain unsullied by ignorant manipulative morons. Why don&#8217;t we just outlaw the color purple because of it&#8217;s religious connotation?</p>
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		<dc:creator>cribbooky</dc:creator>
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		<description>This aligns with this blog article:
http://www.cribbooky.com/blogs/pump_n_dump.php</description>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drop me a note at libertyletters  @  gmail.com</description>
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		<title>Comment on We Need Strong Christians by Samuel Sicard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Sicard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to be contacted
Need peace</description>
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Need peace</p>
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		<link>http://centerformoralliberalism.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/feminist-attack-on-marriage-schlafly/comment-page-1/#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true ...</description>
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		<title>Comment on Feminist Attack on Marriage &#8212; Schlafly by Patrick Sperry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Sperry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget how all men were portrayed as Al Bundy&#039;s...</description>
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